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Conference with Robert L. — 2012, Toulon, France
RL: The yoga session that you just saw, this is a yoga that I learned with the hosts, the Biologist and the
Ethnologist: no music, no speech, holding the posture, the feeling. But it's a very different approach
because I went to yoga classes in Rodez and it seemed less life-like, less interesting, I didn't learn this
method at all.

Concerning the actual testimony, I'd like to thank Mr.Metz and Mr. Venturini for the enormous amount of
research they've done, especially concerning the pilots when I made an excursion in France in a
spacecraft which was following a Mirage III.

It's true that, considering that forty years had passed, I wanted to find someone who could help me
make this testimony known, as I was aware that it was something important. I think there are other
people who have experienced things just as significant or moreso, and who prefer not to make it known,

So we're going to step back forty years. The first time I learned that balls of light could exist, I didn't
believe in them at first, it was in June 1966. I was coming back from a local festival in my car, it was
about one in the morning. The light in the front yard was on. That wasn't normal, and I thought
something must be up. Maybe an animal was ill, or someone was ill, something was wrong. My
grandmother said to me, “My dear, there were balls of light moving around, and they rose from the field
up to the house. We were afraid that they could start a fire.” She went to bed fully clothed. Obviously
I took a look all around, but there was nothing.

It was haying season. We'd gone to bed and I didn't think about it anymore. Then in the first week of
January 1967, I was pitching hay, and I saw my father going outside to take a look. He said, “Come and
look, there are those balls...” So I quietly went out of the barn, but I couldn’t see anything. My father
said, “They just went out. One minute we see them, the next minute they’re gone, they go out like a light
switch.” And I went back to pitching hay to give to the animals the next morning.

After two or three minutes, he said “Come and look, come and look, they're back.” This time I rushed out
and I saw this giant bullet-shaped vessel and the balls that were coming up from below. We saw the
balls go up into the vessel, it was about 10:30 or 11:00 at night.

And so the game continued until the morning when there were balls rising and one ball on the road. I'd
been running back and forth between the front yard and the back of the house. I kept watching the balls
that were moving and the ball in the middle of the road. My father was starting to get old, and I said to
myself that this couldn't go on: I had to do something about it. But what? So I thought: “You're going to
go up to it on foot and catch it. But what if it's full of electricity, you'll be grilled like a sardine!”
(Laughter) And suddenly I said to my dad: “I just had a great idea: I'm going to take the car, and I'm
going to try to get closer.” I figured that when I approached it, I'd gun it and bump it with the fender.

So I took the car and checked if there was gas, and started it up. After about a hundred feet, I thought I
must be seeing things: the ball was advancing—was it me or the ball that was advancing? In fact the ball
was leaving. We went like that for about one or two miles, and then I started back. At about 300 feet
before the intersection toward Villefranche de Rouergue, the ball was following me, and then it went off
to the right into the trees.

Then I saw some sort of flying saucer with a double dome. There were silhouettes on the inside, that's
all I saw. And the heat was increasing. All this happened at the same time, and then my motor started
choking. I was used to driving and drove pretty fast. So what did I do: the motor wasn't accelerating, so I
stepped on the clutch in case the car conked out. I have to say that at that time there weren't a lot of
people who had cars: there was the parson, the teacher, the mayor, the deputy mayor who lived in the
village next door, there weren't any other cars. And in the middle of the week, no one passed through in
the night.

I was really hot, I felt like I was suffocating, my head was nodding and I couldn't remember anything, I lost
consciousness. And when I came back to, I was lying in a ditch. I thought, “Now what are you doing
here?” And the memories came back. I went back to my car and it started on the first try.

I went back home, and I saw my parents. There was light everywhere. “What are you doing here?” I said.
“Do you know what time it is?” they said. “It's four in the morning. We've been waiting for hours.” So I
said, “But why didn't you go to the neighbors to try to find me? The neighbor has a motorcycle.” “But my
dear, there was one ball at the front entrance, and another at the back entrance, and they stayed for
several hours, all the time in the same place. They only left when you came down the hill.” That meant
about a quarter mile or thirty seconds before I arrived. And now I understood why they couldn't leave. I
told my family that now we were going to go to bed, it was four o'clock in the morning.

A few days later, I was incredibly tired and had to sleep. I couldn't stand up straight. The fatigue hit me
and I went up to my room. I couldn't work either, for the last few days. And then after that it was more
intermittent. And then later, “they” came back again. I didn't write anything down, I should have written a
lot of things down. I never had the presence of mind to note down these encounters, the dates they
came. I don't know why. Maybe now I would have done it.

There were tractors that worked at night in the neighboring fields. And sometimes there was this big

it looked like a motorcycle headlight. When the tractors had left, I looked at this headlight, I stared at this
“thing”. It projected light, it got huge, and at that moment I felt I had to go back to my room. And a few
minutes later, rather quickly, a light passed through the wall, and the room was all lit up. And people
came in. Some days, I could count up to nine people. After that it was intermittent.

I was more or less conscious, sometimes semi-conscious, I don't know. One day, I noticed a bracelet
around my arm, that filled up with blood. I didn't feel anything. No pricking. And then after they left I slept
really well. And the next day I went back to work of course.

Then I was conscious, and they started to discuss something.

The “Guide” presented himself. I was small, he said, and he was “an ace”. I said, “Who are you? Are you
God? Are you angels?” (Because you know, I was raised in the Catholic tradition.) He replied, “We aren't
God, we aren't angels. We are humans. We belong to the human race, like you. There is a human race
in the universe. We are explorers of the stars. On our planet, we are considered as scientists. We visit
different galaxies, different worlds, different solar systems, and we study.”

And little by little, we started talking. “We're going to teach you a practice that you could call 'Yoga'.
There are standards, but you don't have to worry about that:

We're going to show you, and you're going to work, like us.” I started my first session of yoga, I think it
was the Biologist who showed me in my room which wasn't very big, “I'm going to show you two
exercises, and one breathing exercise.” I had three things to do.

GD: Robert, excuse me, you had health problems, you had serious migraines, and it was after this that
“they” explained that there were ways—

RL: Yes, it's true I had migraines. Sometimes when working on the farm I couldn't finish my work
because I had to go lie down, I was throwing up, I took medicine, aspirin, Préfagil, Calmine: terrible
migraines. I threw up, it was completely dark, I couldn't stand noises or anything.

The Guide told me: “We're going to propose a task for you, of course there will be compensation. Your
migraines, we have techniques to take care of that for you. You are in excellent health. But there are a
few adjustments to make. And sure enough, after that it improved rapidly.”

So I started on the first of October 1968, my yoga session was at 10:30 at night.

The Guide asked me, “I'd like you to come with us, to a cave in India. It's fixed up with all the comforts,
there's everything you need. The day that we tell you, if you follow us, you won't take anything, just your
clothes, you'll go down to the bottom of the field on the day we tell you, at the hour we tell you, and we'll
take care of everything.”

I didn't respond right away, but he came back later, and between October 1968 and the first week of
January 1969 when I left, they came back rather often. So did I think about it? Why not? Why wouldn't I
go? I thought maybe I would die. I didn't have a girlfriend, I hadn't seen much in life. I figured I had a
chance to discover something I'd never see again. So I said I would go.

He said, “You continue your work, you continue your yoga practice, and the day we tell you, you'll go
down to the bottom of the field, and we'll be there. You will wait at the foot of the cherry tree, but don't
go any further, and when you see a column of yellow light, at that moment you can go forward." And
that's what I did. The day of the departure, I went down to the bottom of the field, and I thought
“Doggone it, you're going to get into a machine like that, and if you go too high— at school I learned
that if you rose in altitude, there wasn't any air—and if there wasn't any air in this machine, I was going
to die, I'd be screwed! I was really anxious at that moment. And then I received a message very strong
in my head, “But no, don't worry, everything is provided for, we guarantee your life, there won't be any
problem for you.” So I went down the field, and I turned around at the foot of the cherry tree and I
waited. All of a sudden I saw the sky opening up. I saw a big circle, and I saw what looked like another
sky in the interior. The spacecraft passed through, and then it closed up again. Then it descended
quickly. It did a big circle, and landed about 200 feet away. It rocked slightly at the back, I don't know if it
touched the ground or not, it was nighttime. When I saw the yellow light, I approached it. At a few yards
away I saw a sliding door. The spacecraft was lit by a white light. I saw a tall man who I recognized,
because he had come to my bedroom.

I went up three steps. And I sat on a very comfortable chair, which surprised me at the time, now we
make chairs like that here on Earth. I looked at where I had entered from, but I couldn't recognize the
place where I'd entered because the door wasn't there anymore. I was trapped, closed in, couldn't get
out. And it didn't move. I said, “We aren't leaving?” and they said, “We've already left!”

In front of me, or just below me a big panel became transparent, it looked like glass. I saw light below, a
big city below, I wasn't sure but I thought it was Marseille. I got up, and sat down quickly. They said,
“We're at 130,000 feet.” They didn't say whether we were above Marseille or not. But there was a town
set back a bit, on the right. So we must have been veering to the east. The voyage lasted from about
50 minutes to an hour. Then the panel opened and I went out. It was a place not like here. Everything
was arched, there were no hard angles or anything. I was told where my bedroom was, that I had
everything I needed. I was told to go to bed, and we'd see in the morning. The next morning I woke up,
and there was coffee!The same taste as my mother's! It was like she'd brought it to me. And I felt a little
more safe. We worked almost a whole year: there were yoga exercises, discussions, I read “Science
and Life” (a French science magazine), some issues of “Science Lives You” at the time. I spoke about it
to Jean-Claude Venturini, he even found some issues of “Science and Life”, one of them spoke about
“quasars”, I had no idea what it was.

On the subject of yoga postures, I asked if there were names for what I was doing. They said, it's not
your business, all that counts is that you work, you have to work. We're going to give you work until the
end of your life, and you still won't have finished. But you'll see, if you work well, when you are old
enough to retire you'll realize you were given a magnificent treasure. It took me forty years, and now I'm
beginning to realize it a little. But it's true that what I practice has nothing to do with what is practiced in
yoga classes. What else did I learn? Oh yes, I learned that our lives have twelve cycles of seven years
each. The first three up to age 21, birth, growth, the minimum information to get along in life, and then
from 21 to 64 where we achieve things or we don't, we try to lead a life as best we can. At 64 comes the
age for the practice of mental yoga which I learned at the time but was told not to practice it until the
age of retirement. And so I started to work on it, but it's rather difficult, it's daunting, but it allows you to
go to a certain level of understanding, of personal growth, to be able to liberate yourself, to attain a
certain liberation.

GD: Can you talk about what their motive was, why they needed you?

RL: They told me I had certain genetic characteristics, which allowed them to populate, or repopopulate,
to bring certain elements of life to a planet that was in a state of extinction.

GD: Can you talk about two episodes, the “airplane”, and the famous meeting?

RL: One evening the Biologist asked me, “Would you like to take part in a meeting where there would be
groups of people from all over the universe, held in a special room? You've never been there and it
would allow you to advance a little, to see how we work.” I said yes, why not. And at that moment there
was a dispute between the Guide and this woman, the Biologist. At first he said no flatly, and they
looked at each other face to face, there was an exchange without any words. And the Biologist turned to
me and said, “Yes, you can participate on one condition, you'll sit where we tell you, you won't ask any
questions, you won't say a word, and you won't move until the end.” “Not to worry,” I said, “you can
count on me.”

It was a big oval-shaped room, there was an oval table, and about the same kind of chairs that you find
in the spacecrafts. There was nobody, and then suddenly, someone appeared. And it continued, there
was nobody, and suddenly someone. I don't know how many seats there were, but there were quite a
few. So the people, they were human beings, with yellow skin, red skin, black skin, people who looked
like Chinese, people who looked like Indian tribes. And in the middle of the table, just above it, a huge
ball, like a ball of light, and you could see different solar systems. At one point I thought I saw a planet
where three suns were evolving, and the Biologist who was next to me, she was probably afraid that I'd
move or make a scene, she said to me, “You see, Roro, the Universe, it's fantastic.” Sometimes the
people looked at each other, they didn't speak. You could also see people in the sphere who looked
like they were communicating with people in the room who were sitting in their seats. There were times
when some of them spoke with a guttural voice (imitates the sound), I didn't understand anything! And
to see this big ball with the solar systems on the inside, I never saw anything like it again, it was
magnificent, magnificent. It's true that the universe—you can see it's so much more beautiful and we are
so much more than we can possibly think. We are absolutely extraordinary beings, the human race is

What else did they tell me? Something I want to emphasize, the fact that our own planet, it's not just
ours. “You know, Roro,” they said, “you say that there are different ethnic groups, different races—No!
There is one human race. People of color, with red skin, etc., they are varieties of the human race, but
there is one human race in the universe. Of course, there are other races, but they don't have the
same characteristics as the human race. They're just as intelligent, just as respectable.” They also told
me that they belonged to a sort of federation, a huge galactic federation where there are directors of
planets, directors of solar systems. For the less-advanced systems, we don't speak about directors, but
people who supervise. I understood that our planet was watched over continuously, 24 hours a day, 7
days a week. When I came back, it was right at the time of the trip to the moon. I learned that when I got
back, because they hadn't talked to me about it. I learned that we had been on the moon in 1969. In the
70's I often listened to the radio or TV programs and I saw scientists who said: there is only the earth,
we are a unique experience, there is no other life in the universe, it doesn't exist. Other scientists, there
was one, a commentator whose name I don't remember, who said, “We're certainly going to make bases
on the moon, we're going to send spaceships there, and since there's less gravity there, we're going to
launch from there” etc. etc. The Guide told me: “You are conquerors, you are warriors. The leaders of
your planet, civil or military, they are conquerors, they are go-getters, they are mentally ill. (He used this
term “mentally ill”.) “You need to understand, as long as you go round in circles on your planet, we're
going to let you go round. But when it comes to going elsewhere, we'll prevent you.” He looked at me
and I guarantee he was serious. It seemed like it posed a problem for him. “We'll prevent you!” And so it
didn't surprise me, when the Americans and the Russians wanted to construct bases on the moon I
knew very well that they wouldn't. And time proved I was right. We never went there again.

GD: So he wanted to say that it if our leaders weren't so aggressive, they would agree to contact with

RL: Yes, certain races, not them because they're far away in another galaxy, but there are other people
of the human race in our galaxy who are members of the federation who have asked certain
governments of Earth if they needed help. “We can help you.” The governments said no. The
governments also prohibited the publication of anything, the circulation of any information concerning
other races in the universe. So what do these races do? It's very simple, they show themselves to the
population. They go around and when we see them, they leave. They do it gradually, but more intensely
as the years go by. They go across the Earth, and that's what seems to be the case now, as far as the
testimonies I've heard. To get back to the scientists that I heard, I thought either they don't know
anything, “discount” scientists as I like to call them, or they've been told not to reveal anything. There
are two solutions. I think that the scientists aren't idiots, people who study the sky with telescopes,
they're not idiots, or maybe they don't allow themselves to give out any information.

Concerning the trip to France aboard the spacecraft. It was October 27th, the day before the Biologist
asked me, “Would you like to go on an excursion? We're going to take a trip to France.” I said why not.
“So tomorrow we'll come to get you, and you'll be able to come, we'll go for a ride.” And the next day we
took the elevator up to the platform, and there was a spacecraft, apparently it wasn't exactly touching
the ground. So I approached it, there was the Biologist in the back, the Ethnologist to the side, and
when I wanted to get in the spacecraft, there were people inside. So she pushed me, “No, no don't be
afraid, get in, nothing will happen to you. We're going for a ride and we'll be back.” There were different
people, there was the pilot, there was a tall man who wasn't smiling; all at once I felt he looked mean.
This one's going to eat me alive, what's going to happen to me? He was looking all around. He seemed
to be feeling all the people around him. At one point he looked at me, and he looked away. The door
closed, there was no metal at the bottom, it was glass, so I could see the platform.

Then suddenly, I saw the Earth moving away rapidly. As we weren't moving, I thought I was going to
vomit. And then I looked at the interior and saw the instruments. The man said to me, “We're above
Italy. We're going down to 33,000 feet, reducing speed to about 600 miles per hour, and there you'll
see two French fighter jets. We're going to approach them.” Then the spacecraft became transparent,
like we were in a glass bubble. And he said, “Look.” I saw the jet which was far away, and then suddenly
it was there, we flew down and got behind the plane, a Mirage. Then I could see its instrumental panel
appear on our screen, like something on a computer! And the Guide said, the instrumental panel is
displayed, that’s good.

So we passed it on the right, ascended to its level, about 200 feet away. We were going at the same
speed, then we passed over it and under it, following it. At one point I saw the pilot who turned his head
slightly to the right, so he saw us. And I saw two letters on the plane: FB. I remembered that. And the
Guide wanted that imprinted in my mind. I looked, and because he wanted me to look, I tried not to look.
Then the plane turned slightly to the right, towards us, like it was coming toward us. And suddenly I saw
the plane become like a point. The Guide said, “If we hadn't left, the plane would have encrusted itself
in the energy field of our spacecraft and it would have gone, like confetti, in a single second.” And I
said, “What if they'd shot at us?” “There's no problem, because when the energy field is on, no element,
solid, liquid or gas can penetrate the spacecraft. However, we don't have the right to destroy a vessel. If
we destroy one, we would be severely reproached by our hierarchy.” So I understood that there would
be sanctions. I understood that when a jet followed them, they preferred to escape rather than destroy
the vessel. They're very respectful of the human race here. Where they’re from, they don't destroy their
people, even if they're not from their home.

To get back to the races, they told me there is the human race, the cat is a race, the dog is a race, the
cow is a race. But they're different. There are cats with long hair, cats with short hair. There are big
ones, others that are small, with dogs it's the same. And the dog race is not the wolf race even though
they look alike So I understood that we here on Earth, we have wars because we detest other groups,
ethnic or otherwise, even though we all belong to the human race.

GD: If you hadn't met these people, you would have remained an “uninformed” farmer in Aveyron. A long
family tradition, in fact things changed when you came back.

RL: It's true that I was destined to take over the farm. They said, instead of working the soil, you're
going to work with other humans. It happened somewhat later, but it happened. My father and I were
ready to sign for the succession of the farm, and I refused. I disappointed my father. But he finally
understood, and it's true it was a big disappointment. I did a little construction work, and then made a
request to train as a health care assistant at the Rodez hospital, and that's how I began there. I wanted
to work in the geriatric ward because I was fascinated with death. It came from experiences I had with
them, it didn't come from me but from a machine they had. They could exteriorize the true being from
the physical body. That helps me a lot at the moment. I'm not afraid. You can see your physical body
lying down somewhere when you're just beside it, for example. Or sit on your own lap. That seems
funny, doesn't it! So I worked at the Rodez hospital. I saw a lot of people die and it allowed me to see
how people feel when they pass over, what the people saw at the moment of transition. It's very special.
Maybe I helped some people, reassuring them. Because “leaving the body” is very peculiar. Sometimes
the transition phase happens very quickly, sometimes it lasts a long time, people are in comas. I studied
the intermediate stages a lot. It's what they asked me to do, too. I worked on it because I understood
that sharing these moments and intermediate states was extremely important. I open a door, I try to see
where I'm at in a hall, I'm between two systems, I stay there, what does it mean when I stay there and
don't move? It's the fear of moving forward, the fear of the unknown. And once the people have
passed and have regrouped, they're happier than the people who stay.

I saw a person one day, someone showed me, it was an image someone brought back to me when I was
in India, they showed me a man who was going to die, in Africa. They said, observe what's going to
happen. The man's anxiety, he felt he was going to die, he was very ill, he was terrified, maybe it's that
way with everybody, we're so afraid. There was his African family grouped together and then, he left his
body. I saw him afterward, he said, “It's fantastic! I'm living.” And he saw his body, and you know what he
did? He burst out laughing, “My God, it's incredible, it's fantastic”, and to his family he said “you deal
with it” and he was gone.

GD: Getting back to your life at the base. You could see your parents' house. Thanks to the work of
Jean-Claude Venturini, we could verify that the base site was true, for example concerning the timing of
the meals. Can you explain how you could see your parents' house when you were there?

RL: Yes, I told them I wanted to know what my parents were up to, so they installed a device for me that
looked like an eye. There were three buttons. I didn't touch them much because I'm not very good at
electronics, I was afraid of breaking it and would have to call them and they'd be pissed off. I saw from
above, I saw their car. I only had to approach and I could see what was happening inside the house. I
saw my parents eating. One day I even saw them fighting. I thought, no way—at their age? There
was a big tree. They told me that they had put some sort of device on this tree. I saw the town, a little bit
above the roofs, as if it was raised a bit. It's true that changed my life. It wasn't always easy, there were
times I was anxious and lonely, too. I felt pretty isolated.

One or two years after my return from India, I was at a local festival, there was a guy at Villefranche de
Rouergue who had a Citroën DS (French luxury car). “Leave your car here and let's go to Caussade,
there's a nightclub there, we can dance.” I said why not. I didn't know this guy very well. So we went
dancing. However, I didn't drink alcohol and he didn't either. After that we came back, everything cool, it
was about one in the morning, and suddenly there was a huge shock. I was lost in thought, and he hit
his head on the steering wheel or I don't know what, his nose was bleeding, the headlights were on, and
he said, “I don't know what's happening, the car stopped all of a sudden.” Me, I hadn't touched
anything, so we got out of the car and we moved ahead to see what was lighting up the headlights of
the DS. There was a drop of about 100 feet, and we were about a yard away from it! I looked at him. At
first I didn't feel the shock, nothing was wrong with me. He looked at me, stepped back about a yard like
he was going to fall. He said, “I'm afraid of you. You drive, you drive, I don't want to drive anymore.” So I
drove his car and we went back. He said, “I don't ever want to see you again. I don't know who you are,
I'm afraid of you.” I wasn't aware of making him afraid. I was just looking at him, I didn't even tell him we
just about got ourselves killed. Nothing. I don't know what happened there. We were really just stopped
suddenly, and he cracked I'm telling you.

GD: I'd like to go back to a certain point. When you invited us, at first it surprised me, you said you had
received the authorization to receive all three of us. As soon as we arrived, you gave us the famous
message. Now you can't say that you had a university education, and this message was so well-written
with hardly any mistakes, where exactly did it come from, how did you do it?

RL: Yes, it was a pretty long message, to describe like that a whole year's experience, I wasn't sure how
to do it. I felt more and more pressured to do it so I got behind the computer, and not a word, not one
word, a total vacuum. I didn't know what I was going to write. And when I opened Word, I was ready to
type, and suddenly the words came, it happened really fast, I didn't re-read anything, and I had to keep
up. I don't type very fast, I'm not very good at it. Sometimes I wondered what I was going to write, I had
an idea, then it was gone. Then it came back and it came back and it came back. I worked for about
twenty minutes, it went really fast and then suddenly it stopped. I reread it and I thought, this
corresponds to what I experienced. It was done directly, even though I didn't have any idea how to
organize it.

GD: You could see the page that I presented, it's structured, it's all like that. There's the “Biologist”, the
“Ethnologist”, every one with his own part, and it gives an idea about how they conceive their society,
the way they live, and it's very instructive. Anyway, it came to you like that, it's very surprising. We
received this paper, like this, it's he who wrote it, like under the influence.

RL: Yes, that's true, to find words like that I'd be surprised, and I've practically forgotten, I'll have to do it
again. I wouldn't be able to do it again.

GD: Buy the book! (Laughter)

Open Questions from the audience.

Q: What was it like when you returned home?

RL: I'd lost the habit of life on the farm, so a few weeks before I left I was anxious. The day came, there
was the Biologist, the Ethnologist, the Guide, we came back, to the same field, practically the same
place, I'd say even to the millimeter. I was getting out, the Guide gave me an envelope, a yellow
envelope from the post office. “You take this, it's a compensation for the work you did there.” And I gave
the two women a kiss. I almost had tears in my eyes because they had been so nice. It hurt to leave
these people. So I went back up to the farm, and when I arrived in the front yard, my father was waiting
for me! I was surprised, I had expected to find the door locked, I thought I was going to have to sleep in
the hay, no big deal. “I received a letter yesterday saying you'd be back today about 10:30pm.” “Oh
really,” I said, “it wasn't me who sent you the letter.” It's the same thing, I should have saved the letter to
see where it came from. It's incredible. Or they have a way of making you forget things.

GD: Your father knew about the voyage, but your mother didn't, you told her something.

RL: Yes, my mother, I told her before I left for the cave—I wasn't going to tell my mother that I was going
to leave with some extra-terrestrials, she'd have a heart attack, the poor lady! So I told her that I was
going to work in Paris and that I wouldn't stay in touch, I wouldn't write because I wouldn't have the time.
So she believed that I went to work in Paris for the SNCF (train company) or somewhere. I told my father
that I was leaving with them, and he wasn't surprised. But I have the impression that my father also had
more experience than he would admit. He seemed like he was “in the know” about certain things.

GD: And what was in the envelope?

RL: There were 100 franc bills in the envelope, 27,000 francs worth (5,000 dollars). I asked them why
they gave me this compensation and where it came from. The Guide said, “There are people here on
Earth, smaller, who look like human beings and work in military bases, or in high technology companies
who have salaries. And we're organised on the planet.” 27,000 francs at the time, it wasn't bad! With
that I bought a car, it was a Ford, I still drive a Ford, I remained loyal to the make!

Q: Have you kept contact with them over the last 40 years, and what is the contact like? Does everyone
speak French?

RL: When I was with the Biologist, the Ethnologist and the Guide, they spoke to me in French. I noted
often that they communicated with each other without speaking at all. Sometimes with maintenance
people there was a “Hi there”, a smile, but nothing more.

Q: Do you feel protected since your return? And what was their feeling about the future of the planet,
did they see anything positive or negative about its future?

RL: We spoke about it a little. What they said is that we were in the process of destroying our beautiful
planet. Now looking back, and now I'm speaking from the present moment, our planet is going to take a
deep breath, like it's done maybe for thousands of years. A planet breathes, it lives, it hears.
Sometimes I hear it, I listen to it, because if we want to get in contact with the universe, we have to know
how to listen, and above all to be quiet. We have to distance ourselves from noise. It's then that you'll
see that birds come to you, animals come to you, even aggressive animals, they'll come to you without
hurting you. And I feel that the planet is in the process of taking a deep breath, and by taking this
breath, it's something I sense deeply, this breath will come out of its center and it's going to rise, which
means that tectonic plates are going to move, and there'll be repercussions on the surface of the planet.
It sounds weird, a planet that breathes, that lives. It hears, we can send it our thoughts, in a way we can
say it's a mother, it's our mother.

Q: How do you feel about the possibility that you are the father of hybrid children on other planets? And
what did you eat at the base?

RL: I don't know. I guess I refuse to think about it, I don't know. They gave me this information, they
never gave me the means to verify it. So what we ate at the base, it was a kind of food made from little
marbles which could be chewed easily. There were some that had the taste of meat, of grains, that were
pretty good to eat. It was pretty nourishing because I didn't feel hungry. How it was manufactured, I don't

Q: Why did this happen to you in particular?

RL: Why me and not someone else? Rest assured, I don't think I'm the only one, others have maybe had
different experiences. It's not the same for everybody. A lot of people don't want to talk about it. Me, I
was asked to do so. If I hadn't I wouldn't be here tonight. If they hadn't ask me to give the message forty
years later, I wouldn't have said anything. Maybe I also thought that if I refused to follow their orders,
what would happen to me? After all, they were so insistent, I figured maybe it was best to carry it
through to the end. I have the idea that I'm not afraid of death, but well...

Q: I respect your story, the only thing I want to say is that the message you say you received, a lot of
people on this planet of which you are a part say they have received the message by contemplation,
spirituality, meditation. So what is special about your experience?

RL: I don't know. Maybe it's up to you to tell me. Maybe by circulating the information in different ways,
either by books, meetings or other ways, maybe it can touch other people.

Q: Regarding what my wife just said, do you take yourself for an “Initiated”?

RL: Initiated in what? No, not at all. I'm not an initiated in anything. It's a term I don't even understand.
How do I see it? Life is an evolution. The human race must evolve. I was asked to do a job, I wasn't
asked to act like God the Father or anything else. I was asked to work. To work in order to advance.
We're going to talk about components made from certain spheres, when we access it, and when we feel
it, broad spheres, not superior spheres—superior compared to what? It's about raising the
consciousness, it's far from being sufficient. It begins there. After, there's all the rest, there's not only
that. Evolution in the universe, it's not only that.

GD: You have to remember that Robert was chosen for his genetic qualities, and did a favor. They did
him a favor too, by giving him exceptional health, by making him aware that humanity, our humanity,
needs to be rethought on other levels, and that later he could communicate his experience, which is
certainly limited, but which could contribute later to the awakening of all our consciousness. It doesn't go
any further.

Q: Concerning the different stages of life. I think you said that there were 7 or 9 stages, can you
elaborate on this a bit?

RL: Yes, there are 12 stages of 7 years each. 7 times 12 that makes 84. There are 3 stages up to the
age of 21 which allow us to advance, then there are the stages when we're sort of cast out to life, where
we construct our life, our house, we have children, we raise them, etc. and then life, from 63 to 84,
during these 21 years we must consolidate our lives and think about our future if you like, make an
assessment of our life, try to grow, because we have the time on the mental level, that's why since I was
63 I began to work a little on mental yoga, the mental yoga that they also taught me. They taught me
more or less what to do when I was in India, they said this part you won't do until you have retired.
So, since we're on the subject let me elaborate: given the fact that the body becomes old, this form of
mental yoga allows you to be able to expand a bit to another part of the universe, you exteriorize your
personal self so to speak the true “being” of your physical body. I had special exercises. They also
showed me that it could be extremely dangerous—they could lead you of course to good results, but
also to dangerous results if badly practiced. They showed me at the time how far you could go, what
happened after a certain exercise, what happened after another exercise. But obviously these
exercises, I can't say what they were because I don't have the authority to reveal it, could cause more
bad than good. But it can show us when we practice it, that we humans are absolutely phenomenal,
fantastic, and there's no end to freedom. If we have constraints, it's we who create them, we constrain
ourselves to stay where we are.

I'll give you a little exercise I'm doing at the moment. You try improve your memory. I do visualization,
then I maintain the thought in my head, give energy to the thought, and then project the thought.

A while ago I wanted to make an experiment at Villefranche de Rouergue by a big supermarket, just to
verify if this technique worked. Maybe you'll say it's not very honest what I did, but I didn't do anything
wrong to anyone. I picked out a woman coming out of the store and a friend of hers was waiting in the
car. So she came out to go to the car. I projected the thought, “You're not going to go to the car, you're
going to go back to the store”. And how surprised I was (I had injected this thought as hard as I could)
this woman turned around and went back in the store. And when she was back inside, I thought, “Now
you're going to turn around and go back to the car.” She went about ten feet, then she turned around
and went back to the car. And I said, “Now you're going to go around the car.” And she went around the
car, and said to her friend (I wasn't very far away and could hear), “My God, my head is spinning, I don't
know what's wrong with me.” So I said to myself, I'll never do this again. Do you understand how far we
can go? It's great but you have to be careful—you put these exercises in the hands of people and you
see what you could do. I did another experiment with a friend I had seen at the UFO Meeting in Châlons.
This time I was in particularly good shape. I said to myself, “Okay, you're sitting here on this chair, and
you're going to place your body, you're going to eject yourself from it and try to go meet him.” I don't
even know where he lives, but I visualized his town, and lo and behold one day this man writes to
Georges Metz: “I don't know what happened to me, I was in a waiting room at the doctor's and I saw
Roro, I saw him with red eyes that looked at me, and I was afraid.” And after that he was looking for me
everywhere. Apparently I had evaporated like a hare, because when I realized that he was terrified,
I got out of there.

So two experiments to show you just how dangerous it can be, because humanity isn't ready for this.
But that being said, a lot of people do it.

Q: I'd like to ask about their physical aspect. You said they were very tall, and also, in your opinion
where did they come from?

RL: They said they came from a neighboring galaxy. Maybe it's been detected by now, I don't know, but
at the time, they said the galaxy they came from wasn't known to our scientists. As to their appearance,
they looked more or less like us, they were white, about six and a half feet tall, except for the arms which
are longer than ours. And the eyes were like our Japanese or Chinese, but not horizontal like us, they
were slightly slanted.

Q: They had hair?

RL: Yes, they had hair.

Q: The women too? Were they pretty?

RL: Oh yes, very beautiful. I almost fell in love. (Laughter)

GD: At one point they described how their engines functioned and there's an explanation in the book for
what it's worth, it's good, they try to explain fairly indepth how their spaceships work and the different
types they use.

RL: Yes, that's right I asked them about that because they are spacecraft which can remain in the air
without limit. They made me a drawing and explained that under the spaceship there is a big circle with
two rings, rotating in opposite directions. That produces energy, enough for an atomic bomb. They said
it was unlimited. They said that their technicians could remove the engine in my Peugeot in less than an
hour and replace it with a little box much smaller than the engine. I could then drive around without gas
as long as it worked, and when my car finally broke down, the little box would still work.

Q: It's the principal of free energy?

RL: I don't know what it's called.

Q: How can they come from so far away?

RL: They come from so far because they said they don't travel in a straight line, they don't like straight
lines. They said they were more clever than that, they pass through a kind of corridor. They said if it's
rather long, you can compress time, you go backwards and that allows you to arrive in the amount of
time you want and much faster.

Q: A simple question: one year is a long time. What was your typical day like?

RL: A typical day of work—in the morning I washed and had breakfast. We had a session of yoga, then I
went for a walk. We discussed things, they taught me things, I think I forgot most of it, I should have
noted it down.

Q: Their writing? Their alphabet?

RL: No, I only saw the sign, a symbol you could say, it's in the book. No, I don't have a response for
everything. In fact I believed that there were other people, too. I even asked them if they'd contacted a
lot of people. They said that the Federation had contacted about 300,000 people on the planet at the

Q: So what are the consequences for humanity?

RL: I think that what I'm going to say, everyone can sense it—that we're under surveillance 24 hours a
day, that they're watching us, they prevent us from doing certain things, they prevent us from going into
space I think. The told me, as long as your behavior is aggressive, as long as you want to finance
things at all costs, as long as you want to destroy your world, you will destroy it. And since you are
capable of destroying another, we have to keep an eye on you.

Q: Do you think they have already been introduced into certain milieus, that they're already on the

RL: Absolutely, I think that everybody is aware of that. Yes, the military knows about it.

Q: Do they spy, do they observe? Do they report things?

RL: Yes, but you know, they have the means. I won't get into it, no, I don't have the authority to reveal
any information.

Q: Why wait 40 years to deliver your message?

RL: Because if I had delivered it at the time, with certain things I would maybe have been committed to
an insane asylum.

Q: So for 40 years, what contacts have you had?

RL: No, I already said, I haven’t had any contact, but I had another way of working. Understand who will!

Q: When you say they forbid us from leaving the planet, it's a bit strange, because what's happening at
the moment with the space station, and we've gone from the nuclear threat of the last 50 years to, just
the contrary, a brotherly collaboration if you will with our advanced technology. So what is the danger,
what would be the danger for others?

RL: You would need to explain what happened at the American nuclear site. So while in space there's a
third dimension, God that is, and it's like—I think if they had let us, the military, the scientists, do what
we wanted, I think there would be a lot of damage and maybe we'd have a hard time eating.

GD: There's an indirect proof of this surveillance, you explained to us in the book, that they wouldn't
hesitate to neutralize the American and Russian atomic sites. Now there was a conference not long ago
in Washington where high-ranking military explained that this happened. We already knew it, but they
admitted it in a press conference and so I think that it's clear that this surveillance is really happening
and even in France, near Plateau d'Albion, there is very strong testimony to the same effect.

Q: So that’s it—there won't be any more conflict!

RL: I don't know. This is how I see it: it’s true there are wars, conflicts, and as long as we are still limited,
it’s not bothering them too much but they see that we are capable of destroying ourselves, so what else
are we capable of destroying? You only destroy the physical support. When somebody dies, he's taken
care of, because we're not capable. They talked to me about the Second World War, there were
millions of dead, people die all the time. It's the physical support. Humanity lacks humility, because
we always want to analyze things, even judge what happens in the beyond, with our knowledge
which has been extremely out of date for a long time. We have nothing to do with their science, with their
technology, with their spirituality. This is the big problem of human beings on Earth. Our economic
system only functions if we produce more, we're consumers, we have to consume, if we don't consume
the system collapses. Their organization isn't like that. That's why we search for shale oil, that's why we
drill holes in the planet, that's why we bleed it to death, and that's why after a while it starts to get sick of
it. It's going to take a deep breath. You'll see how humanity's going to be ejected.

Q: But maybe they'll help us in that case? Why don't they give us the key if they have it?

RL: The key! It's simple—we are the key—it's up to our leaders to see to it that the system is
abandoned. The system isn't good. Another thing I noticed that no one talks about, no one will talk to
you about it, even me I shouldn't talk about it.

Q: Excuse me, I'd like to make a remark because you say that the extra-terrestrials that you met don't
want us to leave the planet to go elsewhere because of our past and our psychology, our defects if you
will. So we know as well as the American cosmonauts who talked about it 40 years later that we're not
welcome on the moon, but at the same time, they come to get human genetic material to implant it on
other planets, so they're sure to bring them war and destruction. I don't understand.

RL: It's not complicated, the physical body—it's genetics, but the spirit that lives in the physical body is
maybe completely different. The mind-set, the mentality, it's up to each one to build it, to modify it.

Q: Do you have the spirit of a warrior?

RL: Yes. It's up to each one to modify his or herself, you have to begin by knowing yourself, by changing
yourself, by studying yourself. Is my way of projecting myself in the universe, my manner of living, of
relating to others going to produce a negative effect—we can expand on that for hours.

Q: At one point you spoke of transit, can you say a bit more about changing one's state of

RL: I think the people need it explained to them. There's a lack, because you have to work on the
mental—that demands a lot of technique which I learned. I was talking awhile ago about the level of
concentration and the projection of thought, so it demands work. You have to look at what you're doing,
and that can be dangerous during a transit or a trip. If you want to project your mental body into your
true body, there'll be a loss of energy in the physical body, that means there's a transfer. After a certain
time, you'll arrive at a point zero. I call it the “zero point”. At the zero point you have a false energy in the
mental body, and practically none in the physical body. So if you want to move your arm, your arm won't
move because there's no energy left, you understand, so it causes panic, if there is panic in the energy,
the heart accelerates or slows down and you risk a heart attack, you risk death. I learned to work with
this in India. It's not a joke. There are people who ask me to teach it to them; no, I can't, not only am I
not authorized to do so, I wouldn't do it. As much as it's effective, if it's badly done it's dangerous.
Even I am very, very careful, especially with others because you have to respect people, respect who
they are. If you go to their home like that, we don't go to people's homes incognito. We can move
around in the universe, all over the place, you get information, but it's the silence. I've become a
servant of silence.

Q: Do you have other revelations concerning the near future, and your mission?

RL: That will depend on the evolution of humanity, it will depend if there are conflicts, if the planet starts
moving, it won't depend just on me. At the moment, maybe there will be thousands of people who are
going to stand up to calm and improve the human condition. I have to say it. If not, with a simple ball an
inch or so in diameter, they can destroy all life on the planet in less than fifteen minutes. You know they
won't do it. It's not their role and they don't have the right anyway. That's not done anymore, maybe it
was done millions of years ago when there were a lot of planets in the development phase. Now there
are a lot of planets which are in a state of great evolution and all that, all those wars are finished.

Q: Unless I'm wrong, all during your speech you made reference to the scientific community, so I would
like to know if at the time that you saw the spacecraft on your property behind the house, and when for
example they arrived in your room, did you note the hour, some details, etc.? At the place where this
cigar thing touched down, was the scientific community aware of it, did they come, were any
measurements taken? You yourself saw the grass crushed. You said that it was very hot, so maybe a

RL: No, I never thought of looking for all that.

Q: When you were in discussion with these people, you spoke a lot about life, but according to them, is
there life after death?

RL: Yes, of course. It's simply—even religions say it, it's a bit crude—it's the separation of the spirit from
the body. What is the spirit, it's the true being. When we expand our circle we are absolutely marvelous
beings. We have to work first of all. It will come in good time. You realize it took me forty years. We're
not far. Scientists are not far now from creating a device which permits you to follow along as the mental
body and the true body separate. I think we're not far off. In what year are they going to do that—in 30
years? Maybe in 30 years the human race will have advanced. You know at the time they told me we
were so aggressive we were going to destroy ourselves, they were obliged to intervene simultaneously
at Russian and American nuclear bases.

Q: Did your visitors give you any information about 2012?

RL: No, nothing.
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Excerpts from ‘Ovnis en France’
RL: I was raised in the Catholic religion, the priest told us that those who did not follow this religion
would never see God, and that children who weren’t baptized wouldn’t go to heaven. What should I

GUIDE: All that is the nonsense of those who represent the religions and think that theirs is the best.
Roro, there is what people think, and what is for us the order of the Universe. What we call the order
of the Universe is the group of all the laws and the manifestations of nature which govern life: birth,
aging, death, the movement of the planets, their creation, their organisation, their evolution, the
movement of the solar systems, from the greatest to the most miniscule molecule. All that has nothing
to do with the sectariansim and the pride of the various representatives of the world’s religions.
You, as well as all the creatures from whatever universe, belong to a plan organized by the energetic
forces which go way beyond anything you could conceive on Earth: yes Roro, you are a child member of
the Universe and you have a role to play.

We are proposing to you a close collaboration with us, of course it won’t be easy for you, instead of
being a farmer as you wanted, we are going to propose a training and practice of techniques which
are going to transform you quickly. We need you for an important mission which is going to allow a
planet far away in another galaxy to progress. In exchange we’re going improve your health, I believe
you suffer from terrible migraines, we’re going to take care of that if you want. You have everything to
gain. We’re going to come to see you often. In return we ask you not to speak of this to anyone.
Absolute silence, and we know that we can count on you.

RL: It’s true that I have terrible headaches, but if you come often, the neighbors are going to notice
with the powerful lights of yours.

BIOLOGIST: We are populating a new planet in our galaxy and for that we need people with different
physical characteristics with regard to blood groups, and other characterists of the composition of
human cells for the repopulation. It starts from a distant level, then during centuries and millenniums
the blood relations become closer, diminishing the solidity of the race after thousands of years of
inbreeding, and leading to massive destruction of entire populations. This requires large-scale cross-
fertilization, or the modification of the framework of the physical body.

RL: At the time I didn’t understand, but now I think she was talking about the human genome.

GUIDE: Your planet is mistreated. The extraction of various minerals, coal and petrol risks ultimately
modifying the magnetic field of the planet. At the same time the Earth will be passing through a zone of
turbulence in space. Nothing stops. all the planetary systems reposition, some further away, others
approach, the dance of the Universe. Universes die, others are born. Your governments are afraid of us.
Why? Are they uncomfortable not being alone in the Universe? They know very well that we don’t want to
harm any inhabitants; they are partially aware of the capacity of our technology. Why don’t they want to
tell the citizens? They ridicule the reports of those who have seen us and have spoken up. So the
Interplanetary Confederation decided to show our capacity to the greatest number of people possible.
The world over needs to know that we exist and that Manifest Intelligence is everywhere in the Universe.

RL: Will there be contact later?

GUIDE: The directors of the solar sysems will decide, but only in the next century (that is, the 21st
century). Our planet, as well as those who have access to a high level of technology are managed by a
planetary government, and this is controlled by a group of “scientists”, citizens who have significant
experience in most of the domains which concern our life. These scientists who we call “soul pollsters”
form a network throughout the entire solar system. They can read the deepest and most secret
thoughts. They see people not as they wish to be seen, but as they really are. These scientists are
greatly feared by our inhabitants, and even by our directors, because with their thoughts they can
manipulate matter. They have a particular status, and don’t need a vessel for travelling. In our worlds,
dissent, disobedience, cheating with respect to our morals or our code of ethics is severely punished.
On the other hand we have of course great individual liberty: to walk about, visit other planets. Most of
the inhabitants of our worlds have visited planets more or less evolved. Sometimes travel is organized in
enormous vessels to visit various systems organized in other worlds. Conflicts, wars, but also what is
good in these organizations is studied and shown to our people, as comparison. They realize that any
deviation from what has been established for us is ultimately very dangerous. The necessity of order,
of discipline, desire to progress and to be useful. Laziness is not permitted with us. Each one works
according to his own competence. Each one must accept a job which corresponds to his skill. If he wants
a job inferior to his capacity, his advantages will be less than for one who would accept a job
corresponding to his capacity. The purpose is to continue ascending. The births on our planet do not
happen by chance. They are discussed, evaluated. They are programmed according to genetic
components, to need, to the number of inhabitants. Everything is organized. At a certain age, children
enter evaluation centers, followed by training. They leave their parents at about twelve years of age, to
assume the task they have been assigned.
Continued below:
Investigators: Georges Metz, Gérard Deforge (GD), Jean-Claude Venturini
Transcription: Jacqueline Pujet
Translation: Brenda Croghan

“Ovnis en France” (UFOs in France), ©2012 by Georges Metz
published by Editions Interkeltia, France
Includes an in-depth report on the Robert L. affair
The excerpts below are messages given by the visitors, as
recalled by Robert L.
Thanks to Florin Chiriac for the following links:

Video of the 2011 UFO conference were Robert L. was invited. The audio is bad though.
and here all the videos of that conference